Clemson Sports Car Club

Ryan... THAT CRACKED ME UP... +2 points...

Look... no net warz here. No reason for anyone to get underwear in a knot.

It's simple.

Officers - you guys are working on trying to identify what it means to be a member of CSCC. That's a part of your job every year. A part of that member offering used to be "discount on campus autocrosses." It doesn't mean that any more. The officers will work to bring what they perceive to be a value to be a member. Simple.

Student Members - you guys get to look at the offering and see if it fits. If it does - winnah! Join. Put your money down and be a part of CSCC. If not - don't. Simple.

Associate Members - you guys get to look at the offerings and see if it fits. Oh, BTW...you don't get to vote. If you want to join - put your money down and be a part of CSCC. If not - don't. Also remember, you can support the club without being a member and... remember, the club is not for you anymore...it's for the students. Decisions they make should be centered around what is best for the students... not you.

Non-members - glad to have you around and hope you will stay. On the forums. At meetings. At events. BTW - you don't get to vote and negativity toward existing efforts and officers expressed on the forum makes you a minority that feels that way and stirring things up is not helping. Positive efforts, helping find sites and run events and participation is appreciated. Simple.

If it's not a good value for you... then stop posting your displeasure. Don't join. You have been heard. Repeating it doesn't make it better or fix anything. You have a proposal? An idea... send it to the officers and ask for consideration. Instead of complaining that CSCC member card would have no value, go find some sponsors to give it value. It's easier to throw rocks but it's not really accomplishing anything. It's time to stop posting ideas for officers and waiting impatiently for them to go DO IT. Go ask the officers how you can help and get involved.

CSCC is not for everyone. If you have already decided that it is not working for you and it does not fit you... you are probably right. No hard feelings. It's cool. But continual arguing through posts on what it should be to fit you when there are others that like it now and feel it does fit is counterproductive and is not helping make it better for you or the club.

Guys ...this is supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be car guys and gals hanging out and having fun. Meets. Car shows. Working on cars together. Learning from each other. Running events. Competing and representing at events you CAN run. Going on and on about "on campus autocross events" is like the people crying over the movie Titanic... the boat sunk, get over it. Move on with your life. It time to stop looking backwards at what we had and move forward to what we can do now and have some fun.

For those interested there will be an autocross at BMW October 18th in connection with the two day charity event EUROFEST. There you will see the finest collection of European cars in the southeast. I recommend you go and look on saturday and run the autocross on sunday. If you are interested in volunteering for the Arrive and Drive where for a donation to local Red Cross, you can drive a BMW M3 on a timed course. Volunteers will have some benefits which I am working on clarifying now. Let me know if you are interested. THIS is an opportunity to represent CSCC and help a charity and wear your CSCC shirts. Something you CAN do together. In the MEDIA GALLERY somewhere is a photo of 4 years ago where 6 or 7 CSCC members competed and trophied at a SC Region autocross at BMW. THAT is representing your club and far more productive and fun that arguing in the forums.


Thanks
Ted

dave99rt Wrote:Nobody will pay dues unless they can justify the value.
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well no really? never woulda guessed

that's why we are working to have an actual autocross schedule, looking like 3 this semester, so as not to compete with scca or football games, etc. maybe 3-4 more in the spring.

We are trying to get people to be a cohesive group, which I think is of the utmost importance.

We are working with local businesses to provide incentives for membership. ie, club dyno day for super cheap with tdc

We are beginning planning for the Motorsports festival, so that we can make it bigger and better than ever, and be recognized in the university's eye as an asset.

We are working with the scca and our community, ie tire rack street survival happening on campus

We are still promoting and have active members in NASA's track program.

WE are just trying to get people to recognize what the club has to offer and get them interested and get them to join and pay dues.



If you wanna help, great, if not, I'd ask you kindly keep your negativity to yourself.

jedimario Wrote:I would agree that we are not at the level we were 5 or 6 years ago, but to say we've haven't gone forward in that time, as you did, is downright ignorant. As I and yourself said, we are not better off now than we were then, but we have "progressed forward" monumentally in the past year or so.

I've never said the club hasn't gone forward at all.
I said, "Besides a handful of things, the club hasn't progressed foward in the past 5-6 years."
I might have downplayed the "handful" of things, but regardless, not much has changed since 2004-2006 with the exception of lower frequency of events.
i never blamed anyone in particular at any point.

My original question was why the club needs money to charge for access to a special section on a message board.

Regardless of how you view my opinion, may it be negative,
if the club will continues to do the same stuff, they same results will occur.
It's the reason there were no autocrosses for 2 years.

Having the autocrosses off campus were great, I attended two of them, but it wasn't like someone cured cancer.
The idea had been afloat for years with multiple sites considered.
In the end, it was the only solution to having a race event.

Dave,

Thanks for expressing your opinion..again. We got it. In your mind, you are being asked to pay money ONLY so you can be on a special section of the forum and THAT is not a good fit for you. Understood.

If that is the only benefit you see and you really believe that, then it's pretty obvious that the membership is not a good fit for you. You've explained three or four times and every knows now... CSCC membership is not for you. Several have tried to explain but you are fixed on the only benefit of membership is you can be on the special members only forum.
So... if that's the case, what logic is there in repeating it again and again? Are you hoping to stir up others? Are you trying to damage the efforts others are making because it does not fit for you?

That's not helping anything or supporting the club. Let it go. There are people that CSCC does fit and they think it IS worth it. Are you saying they are stupid because it does fit them and it doesn't fit you? They disagree with your opinion of no progress or "lateral" progress. Ross and these officers inherited a bad situation. They have done well in rebuilding and everyone seems happy about progress but ..you.

Relax man. No one's trying to ruffle your feathers. There's lots of other things out there that do fit and you can really devote yourself to those and work with them. Staying here and putting everything down like you are doing on this thread is really kind of beneath you. No offense man. I have respect for you but this is not productive or helping the club get better. What you are doing is hurting the present effort and you are a better man than that.

Make up your mind what you want and go after it. I know you will do well and I sincerely wish CSCC could have offered you enough to make it worth your while. Hopefully, in time, maybe it will again.

Thanks
Ted

dave99rt Wrote:My original question was why the club needs money to charge for access to a special section on a message board.

Are you serious? Really, I know you are not stupid. You really think that we're trying to charge people for access to a specific part of the site?

The membership fees go towards the same things they always have, especially now that we actually hold events. This would just be a little extra thing for the paying members to get and perhaps a good tool to use for "club decisions" when paying members are out of town or can't make meetings. What is wrong with that? People who have not paid dues won't be losing anything, people who have paid dues will be gaining something.

<<<<<<<<<< Staying out of this years first "drama thread". haha


Ill sign up for membership as soon as i get money things together. (I need new FUCKING end links at $225 a set :evil.

Thank you Ted, for always being able to eloquently put things and bestow wisdom upon others. I and the rest of us appreciate everything you do for this club, we will have to find a way to repay you for all that you have done and continue to do.

Dave, we get it, but please listen to what Ted and Robbie are saying. It makes sense.

Chase, that blows, and we'll be glad to have you on board.

Stefan...thanks but for the record, I'm not chock full of wisdom... in plenty of areas, I'm as dumb as a box of rocks. I go to others for help and wisdom regularly and some of my knowledgeable resources are younger than you. I make mistakes and find I am frequently wrong. A lot of the problems we seem to have, we've had before and if you've been around you know ... Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could be an early warning detection team. I'm glad there are some past members who have hung around and want to help. George Santayana said : "He who fails to study history is doomed to repeat it's mistakes."

Five of the biggest killers for CSCC in the past were :

1. A few very vocal people trying to push the club to move in the direction THEY wanted it to be to fit their needs and wants. (Not always present students or even members.)
2. Officers not offering a cohesive value to be a member and membership dwindled away to a few.
3. Members not willing to support and physically get off their ass and help with events and activities but instead tell the officers through the forum their ideas on what should be done better.
4. Forgetting that this club is for the students of Clemson....first and foremost and it should be first priority. Not old timers, locals, past grads and non-members. They are important too but not the reason the club exists.
5. Forgetting that the unifying feature of the club is Clemson University. It is their money and past students that kept the club alive all these years. We need to start giving back to the school through activities and representation in activities and competition. For along time, we took on campus lots for events, money and asked for more and gave nothing in return. THAT is part of why we are where we are in the school's favor.
6. This is the most important IMHO. F U N. This has to be fun. It has to be fun to hang out, talk on forums, compete, work on cars, car shows. Make it fun. When it gets to be no fun, you will lose members. When being an officer is no fun, NO ONE wants that job. Then the people who are willing to take the job are ones that are not ideal and got "arm twisted" into it. .. or ones who want the power and control. (Neither of those has ended well. ) When you go on the forums looking to to see if the "DRAMA LLAMA" struck again and who got banned, instead of next events, club plans, some humor and cool vids and information on things automotive... the website becomes a negative drain for members, moderators and officers. Non-members see all the friction and fighting and think "Do I want to be a part of this?" Potential sponsors and Clemson faculty go on the forums and think..."what a bunch of disorganized goobers. Arguing like 3rd graders over whether Superman can beat up the invisible man if he was "just partially cloudy and Superman could see his outline."

MEMBERS ...student members... are VIPs. They are more important than locals, past grads and non-members. THEY are what makes this club work. Everybody relax and lets have some fun this year. Officers included.

Thanks
Ted
P.S. Chase... did you get abducted by aliens? Somethings is different... and I am impressed. Thanks man.... srsly.

Theodore Wrote:Five of the biggest killers for CSCC in the past were :

1. A few very vocal people trying to push the club to move in the direction THEY wanted it to be to fit their needs and wants. (Not always present students or even members.)
2. Officers not offering a cohesive value to be a member and membership dwindled away to a few.
3. Members not willing to support and physically get off their ass and help with events and activities but instead tell the officers through the forum their ideas on what should be done better.
4. Forgetting that this club is for the students of Clemson....first and foremost and it should be first priority. Not old timers, locals, past grads and non-members. They are important too but not the reason the club exists.
5. Forgetting that the unifying feature of the club is Clemson University. It is their money and past students that kept the club alive all these years. We need to start giving back to the school through activities and representation in activities and competition. For along time, we took on campus lots for events, money and asked for more and gave nothing in return. THAT is part of why we are where we are in the school's favor.
6. This is the most important IMHO. F U N. This has to be fun. It has to be fun to hang out, talk on forums, compete, work on cars, car shows. Make it fun. When it gets to be no fun, you will lose members. When being an officer is no fun, NO ONE wants that job. Then the people who are willing to take the job are ones that are not ideal and got "arm twisted" into it. .. or ones who want the power and control. (Neither of those has ended well. ) When you go on the forums looking to to see if the "DRAMA LLAMA" struck again and who got banned, instead of next events, club plans, some humor and cool vids and information on things automotive... the website becomes a negative drain for members, moderators and officers. Non-members see all the friction and fighting and think "Do I want to be a part of this?" Potential sponsors and Clemson faculty go on the forums and think..."what a bunch of disorganized goobers. Arguing like 3rd graders over whether Superman can beat up the invisible man if he was "just partially cloudy and Superman could see his outline."

MEMBERS ...student members... are VIPs. They are more important than locals, past grads and non-members. THEY are what makes this club work. Everybody relax and lets have some fun this year. Officers included.

Couldn't have said it any better myself

Ted - please look up the word "brief" in the dictionary and take it to heart... jesus I think I've read maybe 5% of your posts total

jedimario Wrote:

dave99rt Wrote:My original question was why the club needs money to charge for access to a special section on a message board.

Are you serious? Really, I know you are not stupid. You really think that we're trying to charge people for access to a specific part of the site?

yes, i am serious.
the University should be awarding the club at least or in the vicinity of $1000 per scholastic year, it's been more than that at times.
that should be enough to cover any website expenses along with other miscellaneous expenses.
in the past, the club dues gave you the right to vote, provided proof of membership to the university, and discounted entry race fees.
the club dues should not be needed (or used) to fund any autocrosses or motorsports events.

i realize the club has garages it has to pay for.
if you mention club cars, money for those does not come from membership dues.
it's not like they've been raced recently anyways.
the higher race fee pays for club car parts and maintenance.

The club's by-laws and constitution are on file with Club Sports and Student Government.
They might be a few years old, but they have them.
It specifically defines membership rights for students, alumni, graduate students, etc...

We are not using dues to pay website expenses.

We dont need to change anything on the site to have a "members only" section.

It would just be another perk for being a member, and allow dues paying members to access information that would otherwise only be discussed at club meetings.

It's very simple, and has nothing to do with funding or how we need the money to make it possible or any of that.

It's just a sub-forum. and it's just for people that pay dues. But that's not what the dues are for.