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why yes it can Smile
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ran a 10.4 at 135 at pinks all out last year.
stock block (1.6L) with stock pistons and bottom end.
forged studs and P&P's head with straight exhaust.
supercharger delete
full carbon fiber body
50% of the chasi is tubed (rumored)
single turbo setup pushing 45 lbs of boost
idles at 5k rpms red lines at 12 grand (again rumored)
dyno'd at 635whp and 423wtq (theres a video of the pull)
(the headlights are black because the lights had to be removed in order to run the charge pipes for the front mount Tongue
i'd like to see said dyno vid. 5k idle makes no sense, 12k redline seems a little bit of a stretch for a stock bottom end, and 45 psi at that rpm is even more ludicrous. not to say it hasn't been done, but def not on stock internals.

other than that, most tube-framed cf bodied 600 hp cars can run 10s and still corner if that's what they were designed for.
video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMq_DRncZoE

the way it passes the car at 4:35 just makes me laugh
it was designed to drag, and financed by mini. (mini trying to show that its a liable car for any type of racing)
doesnt sound like it idles at 5k to me.. but that may just be when the turbo starts to spool or something... idk. as i said rumored.
here is the dyno pull.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1S-yIcIKhg
overboosts liek crazy though Tongue
and i appologize, i just found the thread. block is stock, but here are the rest of the specs

"The 2002 MINI Cooper S has been extensively engineered and tuned by ABF Performance and features carbon fiber doors, bonnet and boot lid. The 650-horsepower engine is derived from a production engine block, crankshaft and cylinder head and is fitted with a custom ABF Performance turbo system utilizing Garrett GT3582R turbocharger. Internal highlights include custom JE Pistons, Carrillo Rods, and an M2 Race CNC-ported cylinder head featuring Supertech Performance valvetrain components. An Aeromotive fuel system with RC Engineering injectors provides the healthy head of race gas while ABF’s own award-winning intake manifold and Motec engine management system tuned by Mynes Performance manages induction duties. On the track, the car achieves a launch RPM of 7,000 and a shift RPM of 9,000 using the factory six speed transmission and Limited Slip Differential, modulated by a Clutchmasters Twin Disc Clutch. Race tires consist of M&H drag slicks that measure 24.5 x 8.5 x 15, inflated to 8 psi. The car is equipped with a full National Hot Rod Association (NHRA)–certified roll cage and weighs a mere 1,800 pounds (without the driver)." -mini usa
GT35R = great turbo... however, the most played out one in the world

Neat car... those head must suck for top end flow
5k idle, bs. 12k redline, bs. MAYBE 9. MAYBE.
Oh god, its only a matter of time before Sam gets in here with an EVO. I'm pretty sure AMS, HKS, and several other companies have run 10sec passes, some on a stock motor, just to turn around and woop ass on the track as well. Its a fact that Mini's can really go in a straight line AND around corners, but so can almost any car with a tubed chassis and over 100k in drivetrain/suspension work...
(06-28-2010 11:31 PM)soccerbummer1104 Wrote: [ -> ]" On the track, the car achieves a launch RPM of 7,000 and a shift RPM of 9,000 using the factory six speed transmission and Limited Slip Differential, modulated by a Clutchmasters Twin Disc Clutch. " -mini usa

(07-03-2010 06:14 PM)crazyboardr8806 Wrote: [ -> ]5k idle, bs. 12k redline, bs. MAYBE 9. MAYBE.

12 at the redline may have been a bit overkill, but i know it revs well over 9k rpm's. the shift point is at 9k, but it can over rev a lot.

and it may not idle at 5k rpm's, but for a race car, and the fact that it launches at 7k rpms, there wouldn't be much point in having it NOT idle at 5k...
there is lots of reasons for not having a 5k rpm idle...

1. Piston Compression Rings
i might have almost been impressed if the actual facts had been posted from the get go, not speculation or exaggeration. however, the actual specs aren't actually that amazing in the world of high end track car builds. "why NOT have a 5k idle?" hahahahahahahahahahahahaha oh this thread makes me laugh
It's an incredibly modified and performing Mini Cooper.

Like Jon said above, any car with enough money thrown at it can do things it's not supposed to, this one happens to be able to drag race and take corners very well Smile The cool part that I respect about the owners/drivers of this car is that they have the balls to take it to the drag strip even though it wasn't built with that in mind, very cool to see. Yes JB there are time attack evo's that run 10's but if you can't run 10's with 650+whp and all wheel drive your doing it wrong Smile

At 1750 lbs, it's probably running those mid 10 second times at around 500whp which is nothing to laugh at!

I agree with Stephan regarding the stats, F1 cars idle at 5 grand and they rev to 19000, I bet this car idles no higher than 1500 rpms and revs to a little over 10 grand just like the seriously modified Honda motors of similar displacement and rod/stroke ratios.

Scorke
"The MINI drag racer, a 2002 MINI Cooper S, has been extensively engineered and tuned by ABF Performance and performed flawlessly over one week of grueling competition in tough heat and humidity. The only hiccup for the team was the factory axles, which snapped like toothpicks under Kung's driving demands and repeated requests of "more power." Running 38 psig of turbo boost and making 9000 rpm shifts didn't help matters much either."


Taken from the ABFPerf press release.

The fact that they even ran it with stock axles worries me.

Scorke
600+ hp and 2000lbs race weight should yield ~8.7sec E.T. in the 1.4 mile. A 10.4 from that car isn't really that impressive.
@ Sam........JOHN

lol
(07-04-2010 09:59 AM)mdenz3 Wrote: [ -> ]600+ hp and 2000lbs race weight should yield ~8.7sec E.T. in the 1.4 mile. A 10.4 from that car isn't really that impressive.

2000lb 600 hp front wheel drive cars have a trouble putting it down.

If it was a rail dragster or something I would agree, but its tough to make FWD cars grip.

John, sorry.

Scorke
(07-05-2010 09:18 AM)JB Wrote: [ -> ]@ Sam........JOHN

lol

haha, i've been telling him SteFan for a long time....
when they put down the 10.4 they were even a bit disappointed and claimed it needs some suspension work to get it right for the strip. they have done some more stuff to it since then and beefed up the engine a bit since that time and they are gunning for the 8 sec range.
and it definately idles higher than 1600, mine idles at 1800 on a normal day and 2000 on a really hot day... (if it does below 1750 it will start to diesel like crazy... )
and as to the engine idling and stuff... i did say rumored in the first post Tongue and as for me saying why not on the idle, well thats because if you see the dyno graph (ill see if i can dig it up) it has relatively no power below that point.
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