Clemson Sports Car Club

The way it works is, we make 3 base pulls on the other tuners map and use an average of all 3 pulls before we ever plug up to the ECU. In case where boost or nitrous is present, then obviously the offer applies to more power at the same size shot or boost level. Then, I do what I do best and pull out power (efficiently & safely). This could be in the low range (usually the case with domestics) or the mid range (usually the case with 6 cylinders and Hondas) or the top end. If we don't make more power at any of those points and hold it steady through any of those points, then we'll pay you $200. No excuses, no BS.

Also, keep in mind that we not only tune for power, but also "drive-ability".

From now until April 30th, we are offering this unheard of tuning guarantee!

Appointments must be pre-paid since our tuning schedule fills up fast as you guys already know and we are already on a backlog, even though we are tuning on weekends too.

cant do a dimmsport tune can you?

Planning on Dyno days? I need to get a baseline on my new car.

I would like a new dyno day as well. :-D

^^^We have had a few guys requesting Dimmsport, but we currently don't support it. We just haven't made a step in that direction yet. Maybe someday.

^We've been talking about when we could get together another dyno day, but haven't been able to set anything in stone yet. I'll be sure to post up the new date and flyer as soon as we have one set.

(03-31-2010 06:27 PM)top dead center Wrote: [ -> ]


The way it works is, we make 3 base pulls on the other tuners map and use an average of all 3 pulls before we ever plug up to the ECU. In case where boost or nitrous is present, then obviously the offer applies to more power at the same size shot or boost level. Then, I do what I do best and pull out power (efficiently & safely). This could be in the low range (usually the case with domestics) or the mid range (usually the case with 6 cylinders and Hondas) or the top end. If we don't make more power at any of those points and hold it steady through any of those points, then we'll pay you $200. No excuses, no BS.

Also, keep in mind that we not only tune for power, but also "drive-ability".

From now until April 30th, we are offering this unheard of tuning guarantee!

Appointments must be pre-paid since our tuning schedule fills up fast as you guys already know and we are already on a backlog, even though we are tuning on weekends too.

So do you have several dynos? Do you use SAE or uncorrected number?Do you check to make sure that the air pressure is the same in the tires? A few pounds more will sometimes show 2 or so HP.....easy way to boost.....It is Impossible to compare dyno numbers from different dyno Manufacturers ....Any tuner that tells the truth will tell you this....

Oh did you every call DynoJet and find out what your drums weigh? Or do you still tell everyone that they weigh 6000 lbs when in fact they are less than 3500 or so pounds.........

if they do baseline runs on their dyno, then do tuning from there, the changes reflected should be accurate, although the absolute numbers would change from dyno to dyno, and place to place, varying weather, etc.

and i was pretty sure dyno drums were around 3000 or 3500 pounds to more accurately reflect accelerating the mass of a vehicle, not towing a boat.
*edit: this place says 2700 pounds apiece, but that's why dynojets can't estimate 1/4mile times. http://www.idavette.net/hib/dynojet/index.htm *

(04-09-2010 07:30 AM)93redfox Wrote: [ -> ]if they do baseline runs on their dyno, then do tuning from there, the changes reflected should be accurate, although the absolute numbers would change from dyno to dyno, and place to place, varying weather, etc.

and i was pretty sure dyno drums were around 3000 or 3500 pounds to more accurately reflect accelerating the mass of a vehicle, not towing a boat.

No....not all drums are equal...248 dynojets are 6200 pounds...max hp tunes will be different from dyno to dyno as loads are different...Any tune that is for max hp...well that is just a number...eddy current dyno's can very the load, ie weight, land and see dyno weight less than 2500 lbs....The diameters of the drums are different...I dont care if they base the numbers on there 224 dynojet, 24 in drums, as the tune would be based from a different dyno, day, weight, altitude.. I understand what they are saying, but Dyno number are just that...numbers...You can always remove a little fuel and make more power. And each tuner will have what they feel is a correct amount of fuel, ie A/F ratio...or how close they want to run to MBT of timing.....There is no one correct A/F for everycar and no one way to tune...just good pratices...

Everyone's idea of driveability is different....so .....All they are saying is they will make more power...Is that 1 hp avg. more? wow

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oh i see what you mean. thanks for clarifying, i did some looking, edited my other post.

(04-09-2010 07:43 AM)Stable Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2010 07:30 AM)93redfox Wrote: [ -> ]if they do baseline runs on their dyno, then do tuning from there, the changes reflected should be accurate, although the absolute numbers would change from dyno to dyno, and place to place, varying weather, etc.

and i was pretty sure dyno drums were around 3000 or 3500 pounds to more accurately reflect accelerating the mass of a vehicle, not towing a boat.

No....not all drums are equal...248 dynojets are 6200 pounds...max hp tunes will be different from dyno to dyno as loads are different...Any tune that is for max hp...well that is just a number...eddy current dyno's can very the load, ie weight, land and see dyno weight less than 2500 lbs....The diameters of the drums are different...I dont care if they base the numbers on there 224 dynojet, 24 in drums, as the tune would be based from a different dyno, day, weight, altitude.. I understand what they are saying, but Dyno number are just that...numbers...You can always remove a little fuel and make more power. And each tuner will have what they feel is a correct amount of fuel, ie A/F ratio...or how close they want to run to MBT of timing.....There is no one correct A/F for everycar and no one way to tune...just good pratices...

Everyone's idea of driveability is different....so .....All they are saying is they will make more power...Is that 1 hp avg. more? wow

Your first post is an advertisement, your second two are trolling one of our local businesses. Be careful. If you have a problem with their deal, don't go. Problem solved.

Dude,
I have been a member of this site as long as you have, and have been a local businesses since the mid 90's,and you can ask Ross, We were the dyno at the first show at the valley. When some shop makes a suggestion about the lack of ability of the other shops in the area, I will make a post. I you dont want truth to be posted, you can get with Ross and send me a e-mail, and you will never have to worry about me making a post again. Just trying to keep correct info out for your members

(04-10-2010 06:44 AM)Stable Wrote: [ -> ]Dude,
I have been a member of this site as long as you have, and have been a local businesses since the mid 90's,and you can ask Ross, We were the dyno at the first show at the valley. When some shop makes a suggestion about the lack of ability of the other shops in the area, I will make a post. I you dont want truth to be posted, you can get with Ross and send me a e-mail, and you will never have to worry about me making a post again. Just trying to keep correct info out for your members

+1. As Mark has already said, the dyno is just a number. There will always be ways to squeeze a little bit more out of it for a number, but that doesn't necessarily make it 'right'. I would suggest checking out the reputation and experience of the shops in question before choosing a tuner.

Hey guys, just got home back late from Washington, D.C. last night and haven't had a time to properly respond.

It's really pretty straight forward. On most n/a Honda and small displacement setups that won't produce any more peak numbers, we usually tend to find mid range numbers. However, this was mainly geared for the V8 guys that were dyno tuned and ANYONE who was street tuned regardless of whether it was an import or domestic. Obviously, this is something for the turbo guys as well and especially the K series guys where we always find power with cam angle tuning. Diesel guys tend to benefit the most as well. We are good at extracting power on any car, it's just that the cost/gains ratio tends to be more beneficial for the boosted and V8 setups and the ultra competitive K series n/a setups. Like previously mentioned, we make a base run on our dyno without hooking up to the ECU in any way, shape or form and go from there. Any customer (usually all do) is more than welcome to interact with us while we tune their car or any other car that we are tuning.

We really can't say EXACTLY how much more power since we are dealing with a number of scenarios that are beyond infinite when dealing with all the different makes and models but hopefully you know understand the general concept. However, GENERALLY speaking, at least 15whp out of a boosted setup seems fair and 5 out of a small displacement all motor setup seems fair as well. It really just depends on each individual owner and if such gains are worth it or not.


Our tuning rates are flat, which means it doesn't matter how long tuning takes, the quote stays the same.

While we are on the subject, we've been meaning to do this for a long time now. Just wanted to see what the cars at dyno night put down and what their a/f ratios were, along with any knocking and such before we advertised this. There is a hell of a lot of room for improvement, especially for the domestic guys who attended.

(04-10-2010 10:34 AM)Spent Wrote: [ -> ]Hey guys, just got home back late from Washington, D.C. last night and haven't had a time to properly respond.

It's really pretty straight forward. On most n/a Honda and small displacement setups that won't produce any more peak numbers, we usually tend to find mid range numbers. However, this was mainly geared for the V8 guys that were dyno tuned and ANYONE who was street tuned regardless of whether it was an import or domestic. Obviously, this is something for the turbo guys as well and especially the K series guys where we always find power with cam angle tuning. Diesel guys tend to benefit the most as well. We are good at extracting power on any car, it's just that the cost/gains ratio tends to be more beneficial for the boosted and V8 setups and the ultra competitive K series n/a setups. Like previously mentioned, we make a base run on our dyno without hooking up to the ECU in any way, shape or form and go from there. Any customer (usually all do) is more than welcome to interact with us while we tune their car or any other car that we are tuning.

We really can't say EXACTLY how much more power since we are dealing with a number of scenarios that are beyond infinite when dealing with all the different makes and models but hopefully you know understand the general concept. However, GENERALLY speaking, at least 15whp out of a boosted setup seems fair and 5 out of a small displacement all motor setup seems fair as well. It really just depends on each individual owner and if such gains are worth it or not.


Our tuning rates are flat, which means it doesn't matter how long tuning takes, the quote stays the same.

While we are on the subject, we've been meaning to do this for a long time now. Just wanted to see what the cars at dyno night put down and what their a/f ratios were, along with any knocking and such before we advertised this. There is a hell of a lot of room for improvement, especially for the domestic guys who attended.

So this is aimed at the V8 cars...ie Domestic. There is 3 Domestic shops local to this area... Stable, Jr , and Amazon. You have heard from 2 of us already...Myself (Stable)and chameleon t/a( JR and V8 muscle), So which one of our shops are your talking about? The main point that I am making is that any shop can always find more power.
GENERALLY speaking, most boosted rides from any of the shops will be at least 500 hp....so if you find 15 hp, that works out to a 3 % increase in power. Again that a number that any shop can find.